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	<title>Comments on: Save the Cheerleader, Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Mike W.</title>
		<link>http://www.thesocialleader.com/2010/02/save-cheerleader-oliver-demille-independents/comment-page-1/#comment-4001</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen and Rachel,

I don&#039;t have issue with the article or the descriptive tone at all. I just wonder if these are &quot;independents&quot; in the two major parties, or just &quot;ideologues&quot;. The conservative and liberal and libertarian ideologies (and the myriad others) define themselves by their ideology instead of the party they vote with. In a parliamentary situation, these would all be different parties (I assume).

I see ideologues as being the same as party, just more fractionalized. That&#039;s good as a decentralization of power, but it&#039;s still doing politically what either the party powers want or what the promoters of ideology argue for. 

I think that those who are independent in the way the article describes, aren&#039;t. They are merely ideologues within a general side of the political spectrum.

True independents evaluate each issue or principle in its own light and wish to vote accordingly. Hence the frustration with the current, party-run political system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen and Rachel,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have issue with the article or the descriptive tone at all. I just wonder if these are &#8220;independents&#8221; in the two major parties, or just &#8220;ideologues&#8221;. The conservative and liberal and libertarian ideologies (and the myriad others) define themselves by their ideology instead of the party they vote with. In a parliamentary situation, these would all be different parties (I assume).</p>
<p>I see ideologues as being the same as party, just more fractionalized. That&#8217;s good as a decentralization of power, but it&#8217;s still doing politically what either the party powers want or what the promoters of ideology argue for. </p>
<p>I think that those who are independent in the way the article describes, aren&#8217;t. They are merely ideologues within a general side of the political spectrum.</p>
<p>True independents evaluate each issue or principle in its own light and wish to vote accordingly. Hence the frustration with the current, party-run political system.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see Oliver&#039;s articles on independents as prescriptive in nature; I think he&#039;s simply analyzing and identifying what &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt;.

The first step of leadership is to identify the lay of the land and the core problems. As Abraham Lincoln said, &quot;If we could first know where we are and whither we are tending, we could better judge what to do, and how to do it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see Oliver&#8217;s articles on independents as prescriptive in nature; I think he&#8217;s simply analyzing and identifying what <em>is</em>.</p>
<p>The first step of leadership is to identify the lay of the land and the core problems. As Abraham Lincoln said, &#8220;If we could first know where we are and whither we are tending, we could better judge what to do, and how to do it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel DeMille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel DeMille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the point being made was that independents *need* to vote with the parties to make their influence felt, but rather that they tend to vote irrespective of nominal party affiliations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the point being made was that independents *need* to vote with the parties to make their influence felt, but rather that they tend to vote irrespective of nominal party affiliations.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike W.</title>
		<link>http://www.thesocialleader.com/2010/02/save-cheerleader-oliver-demille-independents/comment-page-1/#comment-3989</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with d.eris. I understand the claim that &quot;if you want your vote to count&quot; you need to vote for one of the main two party candidates, but it seems like a sell-out of the independence at times. This last presidential election, neither candidate came close to representing my principles, so I wrote in another. Was it a wasted vote? I don&#039;t think so because it was my vote. I see the party system as representative of all that is wrong with American politics and until there is found a way to check the parties, this process of electioneering and the lack of substance among politicians will continue.

&quot;&quot;Ignorance maketh most men go into a party, and shame keepeth them from getting out of it.&quot; George Savile, Lord Halifax under William III and Mary of England.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with d.eris. I understand the claim that &#8220;if you want your vote to count&#8221; you need to vote for one of the main two party candidates, but it seems like a sell-out of the independence at times. This last presidential election, neither candidate came close to representing my principles, so I wrote in another. Was it a wasted vote? I don&#8217;t think so because it was my vote. I see the party system as representative of all that is wrong with American politics and until there is found a way to check the parties, this process of electioneering and the lack of substance among politicians will continue.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;Ignorance maketh most men go into a party, and shame keepeth them from getting out of it.&#8221; George Savile, Lord Halifax under William III and Mary of England.</p>
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		<title>By: d.eris</title>
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		<dc:creator>d.eris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you call yourself an independent but vote for Republicans and/or Democrats, in what sense are you independent?  Unless you are supporting and voting for independent and third party candidates, you are not &quot;independent&quot; of anything, but co-dependent with the Democratic-Republican Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you call yourself an independent but vote for Republicans and/or Democrats, in what sense are you independent?  Unless you are supporting and voting for independent and third party candidates, you are not &#8220;independent&#8221; of anything, but co-dependent with the Democratic-Republican Party.</p>
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